#88962: "Undo?"
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• もしあれば、画面に表示されたエラーメッセージをコピー&ペーストしてください
I imagine this would be wickedly complex, but the game would be greatly improved by the ability to undo an action you just took. (I just conceded a game because I made a small error that threw my entire game.)
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• 何をしたいか、何をしたか、何が起きたかを説明してください
• あなたのブラウザは何ですか?
Google Chrome v113
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• あなたの言語の代わりに、表示されている英語の文章をコピー&ペーストしてください。 もしこのバグのスクリーンショットがあれば(素晴らしい!)、Imgur.com等を使ってアップロードし、リンクをコピー&ペーストしてください。
I imagine this would be wickedly complex, but the game would be greatly improved by the ability to undo an action you just took. (I just conceded a game because I made a small error that threw my entire game.)
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• このテキストは翻訳ページで翻訳可能になっていますか?もしそうならば、24時間以上前に翻訳されていますか?
• あなたのブラウザは何ですか?
Google Chrome v113
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• 何を意味するのか、簡単に理解できるようにあなたの提案を正確かつ簡潔に説明してください。
I imagine this would be wickedly complex, but the game would be greatly improved by the ability to undo an action you just took. (I just conceded a game because I made a small error that threw my entire game.)
• あなたのブラウザは何ですか?
Google Chrome v113
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• ブロックされたときの表示は何でしたか(空のスクリーン?一部のみのゲームインターフェイス?エラーメッセージ?)
I imagine this would be wickedly complex, but the game would be greatly improved by the ability to undo an action you just took. (I just conceded a game because I made a small error that threw my entire game.)
• あなたのブラウザは何ですか?
Google Chrome v113
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• BGAで正しく実装されていないルールはどの部分ですか?
I imagine this would be wickedly complex, but the game would be greatly improved by the ability to undo an action you just took. (I just conceded a game because I made a small error that threw my entire game.)
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• ルールの間違いはゲームのリプレイで確認できますか?そうであれば、行動番号は何番ですか?
• あなたのブラウザは何ですか?
Google Chrome v113
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• やりたかったゲームアクションは何ですか?
I imagine this would be wickedly complex, but the game would be greatly improved by the ability to undo an action you just took. (I just conceded a game because I made a small error that threw my entire game.)
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• このゲームアクションを引き起こす為に何を試みましたか?
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• これを行おうとしたときに何が起こりましたか?(エラーメッセージ、ステータスバーメッセージ、他)
• あなたのブラウザは何ですか?
Google Chrome v113
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• どの段階でこの問題が起こりましたか?(画面の指示はどうなっていましたか)
I imagine this would be wickedly complex, but the game would be greatly improved by the ability to undo an action you just took. (I just conceded a game because I made a small error that threw my entire game.)
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• ゲームアクションを行おうとしたとき、何が起こりましたか?(エラーメッセージ、ステータスバーメッセージ、他)
• あなたのブラウザは何ですか?
Google Chrome v113
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• 表示の問題を説明してください もしこのバグのスクリーンショットがあれば(素晴らしい!)、Imgur.com等を使ってアップロードし、リンクをコピー&ペーストしてください。
I imagine this would be wickedly complex, but the game would be greatly improved by the ability to undo an action you just took. (I just conceded a game because I made a small error that threw my entire game.)
• あなたのブラウザは何ですか?
Google Chrome v113
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• あなたの言語の代わりに、表示されている英語の文章をコピー&ペーストしてください。 もしこのバグのスクリーンショットがあれば(素晴らしい!)、Imgur.com等を使ってアップロードし、リンクをコピー&ペーストしてください。
I imagine this would be wickedly complex, but the game would be greatly improved by the ability to undo an action you just took. (I just conceded a game because I made a small error that threw my entire game.)
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• このテキストは翻訳ページで翻訳可能になっていますか?もしそうならば、24時間以上前に翻訳されていますか?
• あなたのブラウザは何ですか?
Google Chrome v113
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• 何を意味するのか、簡単に理解できるようにあなたの提案を正確かつ簡潔に説明してください。
I imagine this would be wickedly complex, but the game would be greatly improved by the ability to undo an action you just took. (I just conceded a game because I made a small error that threw my entire game.)
• あなたのブラウザは何ですか?
Google Chrome v113
報告履歴
A: Add a "Return to start of Local phase" button, available only when new cards haven't been revealed.
+ Fairly straightforward
- Other players can undo your actions
- Any sort of R+D disables this
B: Add a "Undo actions since other players' most recent action or since you last drew cards" button
+ Fairly reliable in a turn-based game
- Fairly useless in a real-time game
- Even just the description of that button can tell you that it's going to be frustrating to use
C: Add a smart "Undo all of my actions" button that doesn't undo anything affecting other players
+ This would be pretty nice
- This would be really hard
D: Add an "Undo most recent action" button, with no option to undo further than that
+ Relatively simple, probably meets most players' needs
+ Probably unnecessary to consider what other players have done since; we can disable the button if the most recent action gave a card to another player or revealed new cards
- Players will definitely ask for more
- Rolling back just part of the game state is still very difficult even for atomic actions
Undo is a feature we wanted from the beginning, but the game's format makes it less feasible to implement for the reasons Mogri described. If you'd like to discuss some options, let's email directly and brainstorm together.
Option D is what I'd hoped for and would be really valuable in terms of player experience.
By the nature of the game, many actions will prevent you from undoing your action. These include tucking a card under a global or crisis card (because other players' action may gain bonuses after that point), changes that affect the board such as adding cubes to the thermometer, transferring cards or communities in crisis to/from other players, and many more actions. Basically, actions that have an effect on other players' actions cannot be undone.
As you play around with the new undo system, hopefully you can help us decide whether it's an improvement or whether it creates confusion. While we're certain that a more expansive version of undo will always be requested, we've already made efforts to allow it in every feasible situation (it even undiscards cards that you have spent if they're still in the discard pile). Consequently, we've reached the limit of the undo option and we're now evaluating whether the new system will be beneficial for players in its current state.
報告に書き加える
- 他のテーブルID/行動ID
- F5キー(ページの再読込)で問題は解決されましたか?
- 問題は何回も起こりましたか?毎回 起こりますか?ランダムに起きますか?
- もしこのバグのスクリーンショットがあれば(素晴らしい!)、Imgur.com等を使ってアップロードし、リンクをコピー&ペーストしてください。
