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#8774: "Free Trade Zone"
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Free Trade Zone says 'Grey world require two fewer settlers to complete (but no fewer than two)'
I had one die on a 1-cost grey world, settle phase happened, but I did not settle the world. The only reason for this I can imagine is because of the 'no fewer than two' restriction of FTZ, but in this case it should not be applicable, I guess, because it should not make settling a world more expensive in any case• ルールの間違いはゲームのリプレイで確認できますか?そうであれば、行動番号は何番ですか?
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2018年 1月 8日 1:00 • MeglaGnome • バグは未だ開発者によって再現できていません:
Free Trade doesn't seem to give a discount if the grey world already has a dice on it, or if you are settling multiple grey worlds in one settle phase.
2018年 1月19日 1:40 • jfowler • バグは未だ開発者によって再現できていません:
I got the same problem, a cost 1 grey world, one die on it, but settle was not done.
TAble 36851575
Move 125
TAble 36851575
Move 125
2018年 3月13日 17:32 • travbot • バグは未だ開発者によって再現できていません:
happened twice so far in game 38461427
Opponent has a single die settlement and a die is placed on the settlement, but the settlement is not resolved.
Opponent has a single die settlement and a die is placed on the settlement, but the settlement is not resolved.
2018年 5月 2日 4:31 • PastorPew • バグは未だ開発者によって再現できていません:
Furthermore - I had a die on a 1 point gray world (that didn't build!) - when the next settle event happened, it took a SECOND die to the world to build it (even though it was a one point world)!
Table #39960392
Table #39960392
2018年 6月18日 22:38 • SultanJafar • バグは未だ開発者によって再現できていません:
Same error. Game 4328516.
1 point gray world cost 2 dice. 2 point gray world took 2 dice.
1 point gray world cost 2 dice. 2 point gray world took 2 dice.
2018年 6月26日 16:33 • Carnie • バグは未だ開発者によって再現できていません:
Same issue on table 41387396
A 1-cost grey world took 2 dice to settle.
A 1-cost grey world took 2 dice to settle.
2018年 7月31日 12:58 • bad_luck • バグは未だ開発者によって再現できていません:
Same issue on table 41963081
A 1 cost grey world needs more to settle
A 1 cost grey world needs more to settle
2018年 7月31日 13:02 • bad_luck • バグは未だ開発者によって再現できていません:
Note: Bug 8803 (currently with 7 votes) looks like a dup of this bug
2018年 9月24日 18:36 • Quax • バグは未だ開発者によって再現できていません:
regarding to the original entry of this bug: A discount can never reduce the costs to less than 1, so no free build with FTZ.
Regarding to the other entries: okay, that really sound weird.
my entry: table 44035007, turn 147: I've already had a die on a 2-world, build than the ftz and then happens a settle phase again with no effect. In the first I've assumed that the condition is not checked again as long as I spent no dice in that phase (should be checked regardless of that), but looking at the other entries there may also some miscalculation when solving the effect.
Regarding to the other entries: okay, that really sound weird.
my entry: table 44035007, turn 147: I've already had a die on a 2-world, build than the ftz and then happens a settle phase again with no effect. In the first I've assumed that the condition is not checked again as long as I spent no dice in that phase (should be checked regardless of that), but looking at the other entries there may also some miscalculation when solving the effect.
2018年10月15日 15:56 • Haventaclue • バグは未だ開発者によって再現できていません:
Me too
Table no. 44802613
Move no. 191
And it is "wrong" according to the game creator's response on BGG:
boardgamegeek.com/article/18197147#18197147
Table no. 44802613
Move no. 191
And it is "wrong" according to the game creator's response on BGG:
boardgamegeek.com/article/18197147#18197147
2019年 2月15日 2:09 • afungusamongus • バグは未だ開発者によって再現できていません:
One of the game's designers (Tom Lehmann) confirmed that FTZ "does NOT make cost 1 gray worlds cost 2, as the parenthetical restriction modifies the first clause and is not a separate rule." This is definitely a bug.
2020年 4月10日 1:48 • magicPepper • バグは未だ開発者によって再現できていません:
With Free Trade Zone in play, "Fifth Colony", a grey "1" planet, needs now 2 dice to be finished.
This is wrong and probably caused by the "(minium 2 cost)" line of Free Trade Zone.
Game: #72611830
Move 177 :9:00:15 PM
magicPepper baut Fünfte Kolonne (Kosten: 2).
This is wrong and probably caused by the "(minium 2 cost)" line of Free Trade Zone.
Game: #72611830
Move 177 :9:00:15 PM
magicPepper baut Fünfte Kolonne (Kosten: 2).
2020年 5月 7日 5:01 • joblivious • バグは未だ開発者によって再現できていません:
I believe Free Trade Zone is *increasing* the cost of 1-cost grey world developments to 2
2020年 5月15日 4:11 • PibbXtra • バグは未だ開発者によって再現できていません:
I played a die on Fifth Column, a 1-cost gray world while having Free Trade Zone in my tableau. Almost cost me the victory as I was counting on that tile to get to the 12 tiles to end the game.
Table #87194582
Move #281
You can see it in the screenshot. A die sits on a 1-cost world and it is somehow not completed.
imgur.com/0MfCGuI
Table #87194582
Move #281
You can see it in the screenshot. A die sits on a 1-cost world and it is somehow not completed.
imgur.com/0MfCGuI
2020年 5月19日 22:16 • Sandoval • バグは未だ開発者によって再現できていません:
A literal interpretation of the card makes it seem like this is working like intended.
The clarification by the co-designer at boardgamegeek.com/thread/1312841/article/18197147#18197147 clears up the confusion: This really is a bug.
The clarification by the co-designer at boardgamegeek.com/thread/1312841/article/18197147#18197147 clears up the confusion: This really is a bug.
2020年 6月15日 21:57 • comicalalex • バグは未だ開発者によって再現できていません:
Exactly the same situation- Free Trade Zone increases the cost of Fifth Column to 2.
Table ID #95709387
Fifth Column is played for a cost of 2 at move #421.
Table ID #95709387
Fifth Column is played for a cost of 2 at move #421.
2020年 8月31日 21:50 • dkaliumbra • バグは未だ開発者によって再現できていません:
I had fifth column with the free trade zone, would not play with the one die as shown on the attachment..
imgur.com/a/m5agWh9
imgur.com/a/m5agWh9
2020年 9月 1日 16:29 • razzinplant • バグは未だ開発者によって再現できていません:
Same problem. Free trade zone made high gravity world cost two instead of one. Table 109968281
2020年 9月19日 5:15 • HippoMcFly • バグは未だ開発者によって再現できていません:
I had the same issue in a game I just played.
Table: 112948449
Green player
Table: 112948449
Green player
2020年10月17日 18:32 • Niall • バグは未だ開発者によって再現できていません:
Table #117517690
Move #148
Same problem - built high-gravity world and it should have taken one die, but took two, tying up multiple dice on the world below, that should have also been completed in the same turn. I also had free trade zone, and suspect that for grey worlds, it is reducing the build cost by 2, then topping up to 2, even if the cost started at 1. Looks like it’s been a known problem for ages, and it just completely messed me up! Should be an easy fix, would appreciate for future. Many thanks.
Move #148
Same problem - built high-gravity world and it should have taken one die, but took two, tying up multiple dice on the world below, that should have also been completed in the same turn. I also had free trade zone, and suspect that for grey worlds, it is reducing the build cost by 2, then topping up to 2, even if the cost started at 1. Looks like it’s been a known problem for ages, and it just completely messed me up! Should be an easy fix, would appreciate for future. Many thanks.
2020年10月20日 21:34 • Miriam_R • バグは未だ開発者によって再現できていません:
I also had it on Table #118502896, in the last move.
2020年10月27日 20:17 • walkie • バグは未だ開発者によって再現できていません:
Just encountered this bug at Table #117289507, move #211.
2020年10月28日 22:23 • Eigeneier • バグは未だ開発者によって再現できていません:
2020年11月 5日 6:04 • PhilNi • バグは未だ開発者によって再現できていません:
Had this happen the other day. For reference, the game developer has stated here: www.boardgamegeek.com/thread/1312841/article/18197147#18197147
That 1 cost grey worlds should be unaffected by Free Trade Zone.
Haven't had a chance to check the interaction with Replicant Robots but that should be checked at the same time.
That 1 cost grey worlds should be unaffected by Free Trade Zone.
Haven't had a chance to check the interaction with Replicant Robots but that should be checked at the same time.
2020年12月 1日 11:16 • Timbits • バグは未だ開発者によって再現できていません:
Just happened to me too, table # 127697180, Fifth Column should have been built with 1 worker, but I have Free Trade Zone in play.
boardgamearena.com/1/rollforthegalaxy?table=127697180
boardgamearena.com/1/rollforthegalaxy?table=127697180
2021年 1月 6日 9:11 • nccc • バグは未だ開発者によって再現できていません:
well thats why u SHOULDNT build that tile, at least b4 the bug(?) is fixed.
2021年 1月12日 16:10 • SauerTroger • バグは未だ開発者によって再現できていません:
Me too!
It failed to build fifth column even though it had a red die on it.
I also had a 3 cost grey world which required all 3 settlers even though I had Free Trade Zone
It failed to build fifth column even though it had a red die on it.
I also had a 3 cost grey world which required all 3 settlers even though I had Free Trade Zone
2021年 1月30日 4:54 • _asmith_ • バグは未だ開発者によって再現できていません:
Just happened for me on table #143540691 move #103
2021年 3月 1日 20:34 • cora36 • バグは未だ開発者によって再現できていません:
Same issue :
table #152154010
(last move, i didn't get the tile because of the bug... )
imgur.com/a/EqyMbbV
This bug is openned for 4 years ?!! ...
table #152154010
(last move, i didn't get the tile because of the bug... )
imgur.com/a/EqyMbbV
This bug is openned for 4 years ?!! ...
2021年 3月30日 19:41 • _asmith_ • バグは未だ開発者によって再現できていません:
Just happened AGAIN for me.
Why hasn't this bug been fixed? This is a 3 year old ticket first reported in 2018.
Table #159977651
Move #99
Why hasn't this bug been fixed? This is a 3 year old ticket first reported in 2018.
Table #159977651
Move #99
2021年 4月11日 1:36 • _asmith_ • バグは未だ開発者によって再現できていません:
Bug is still there:
the "but no fewer than 2" cost restriction causes $1 grey worlds to be $2 (in my case it was High Gravity World)
Table # 1631600770
Move # 153
the "but no fewer than 2" cost restriction causes $1 grey worlds to be $2 (in my case it was High Gravity World)
Table # 1631600770
Move # 153
2021年 5月30日 1:28 • _asmith_ • バグは未だ開発者によって再現できていません:
Clearly I am the only person that is stupid enough to take this tile anymore, but the bug is still not fixed.
Table 176422142
Move #73
Table 176422142
Move #73
2021年 6月20日 19:13 • henniss • バグは未だ開発者によって再現できていません:
table: 181595364
move: #216
I ran into this; my fifth columnists cost 2.
move: #216
I ran into this; my fifth columnists cost 2.
2021年 8月 5日 18:38 • ginsuknight • バグは未だ開発者によって再現できていません:
table 191552354
move 133/134
player red/ginsuknight
Had "free trade zone" and 3 planets queued up.
"High Gravity World" 1-gray, "Asteroid Belt" 2-brown, "Gateway Station" 3-gray with 4 settlers
"High Gravity World" charged me 2 rather than 1 so only "High Gravity World" and "Asteroid Belt" were built and all settlers were used.
move 133/134
player red/ginsuknight
Had "free trade zone" and 3 planets queued up.
"High Gravity World" 1-gray, "Asteroid Belt" 2-brown, "Gateway Station" 3-gray with 4 settlers
"High Gravity World" charged me 2 rather than 1 so only "High Gravity World" and "Asteroid Belt" were built and all settlers were used.
2021年 8月11日 22:29 • BobGod8 • バグは未だ開発者によって再現できていません:
Replicated.
Table 193595335.
Final move of the game. World did not build.
Table 193595335.
Final move of the game. World did not build.
2021年12月14日 0:55 • smci • バグは未だ開発者によって再現できていません:
Same error game 223670339 move 191.
@MeglaGnome's comment from Jan 7th 2018 seems to apply: Free Trade doesn't seem to give a discount if the grey world already has a dice on it, or if you are settling multiple grey worlds in one settle phase.
@MeglaGnome's comment from Jan 7th 2018 seems to apply: Free Trade doesn't seem to give a discount if the grey world already has a dice on it, or if you are settling multiple grey worlds in one settle phase.
2022年 1月25日 23:50 • GSPhoenix • バグは未だ開発者によって再現できていません:
Same issue on table # 235325120
Not only did it not settle a 2-cost gray world for 1 worker, but it then required 2 workers to settle a 1-cost gray world!
I'm not sure how to get ID numbers for individual moves.
I'm going to ask the other players to end the game by mutual assent
Not only did it not settle a 2-cost gray world for 1 worker, but it then required 2 workers to settle a 1-cost gray world!
I'm not sure how to get ID numbers for individual moves.
I'm going to ask the other players to end the game by mutual assent
2022年 1月26日 4:22 • GSPhoenix • バグは未だ開発者によって再現できていません:
This appears to have been a known bug for at least 4 years. If it's really intractable, perhaps the card could be removed from the game. It would not materially change the game.
2022年 4月 2日 2:53 • ABadgerWhatsMore • バグは未だ開発者によって再現できていません:
trying to figure out the ruling on this led me here table 255448655 move 291 bug happened
i had enough dice to pay two for high gravity world (which should cost 1) after playing rebel hideout same phase.
i had enough dice to pay two for high gravity world (which should cost 1) after playing rebel hideout same phase.
2022年 5月24日 5:15 • Julie Hancock • バグは未だ開発者によって再現できていません:
Same issue! Table 266211438. I'm losing because of this!
2023年 1月16日 17:08 • bananasplay • バグは未だ開発者によって再現できていません:
Table 336540482, move 237, for the record... not that I expect BGA to care after over five years of ignoring this bug. Yeah, "Premium game", my exhaust vent.
2024年 7月 2日 4:16 • LuckyKea • バグは未だ開発者によって再現できていません:
Table 531394331 move 59 rebel hideout still required two dice to build despite having Free trade zone.
2024年12月12日 3:28 • Lycan the Werewolf • バグは未だ開発者によって再現できていません:
Table 599457988
Move 70-73 (approximately)
Outlaw World (2 cost grey) and Rebel Hideout (2 cost grey) should cost 1 die to construct. But they both cost 2 dice. This is a potentially game-losing bug. I was going to also settle Terraformed World (5 cost grey) as well as the previous 2 worlds using only 5 dice due to a 4 die discount, but now I'm going to have to pay full price for all 3, ON TOP OF the fact that I was fishing for grey worlds using explore actions and discarding useful stuff because they weren't grey worlds.
Move 70-73 (approximately)
Outlaw World (2 cost grey) and Rebel Hideout (2 cost grey) should cost 1 die to construct. But they both cost 2 dice. This is a potentially game-losing bug. I was going to also settle Terraformed World (5 cost grey) as well as the previous 2 worlds using only 5 dice due to a 4 die discount, but now I'm going to have to pay full price for all 3, ON TOP OF the fact that I was fishing for grey worlds using explore actions and discarding useful stuff because they weren't grey worlds.
2025年 1月14日 6:24 • Chovel1 • バグは未だ開発者によって再現できていません:
This (8 year old) bug is still happening. At this rate It's hard to imagine it will ever be addressed but here is more evidence:
boardgamearena.com/6/rollforthegalaxy?table=612998599&replayFrom=137
Table 612998599
Move 137ish
boardgamearena.com/6/rollforthegalaxy?table=612998599&replayFrom=137
Table 612998599
Move 137ish
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