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#87520: "Black Market Reset - Fara"
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ルール: ゲームのルールが正しく実装されていない
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• BGAで正しく実装されていないルールはどの部分ですか?
My wife had Fara and 2 Squires with nobody in prison. She then placed a worker at the Black Market to trigger a Black Market Reset which then moved her worker into prison. According to the rules, Fara should be allowed to release the worker from prison and the 2 Squires would activate.
During the game, she was allowed to release the worker but the Squires did not activate. After this, we abandoned the game because Fara's ability was rendered useless.
On a side note, players should be given the opportunity to CHOOSE their asymmetric player board. We had to start and cancel several times to get characters we wanted. After all that, Fara didn't work correctly so we will stick with our physical copy until these adjustments are made. Thanks!• ルールの間違いはゲームのリプレイで確認できますか?そうであれば、行動番号は何番ですか?
Yes, looks like during Move #50.• あなたのブラウザは何ですか?
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2023年 4月30日 7:05 • Seanly49 • バグは未だ開発者によって再現できていません:
I agree with the Fera bonus of prisoner release when black market resets. It does release the prisoner, but after the negative effects of the reset happen. The correct way this should work is for the person to be released before the negative effects (the -virtue and debt). There is an apprentice card that releases 2 prisoners on black market reset, and that works correctly. If somebody has the combo they should effectively be able to use all 3 black market options and completely avoid any penalty on reset.
The activation of Fera occurs, but after negative effects of BM rest when should be before.
I don't agree with choosing the people you use and like them being random.
The activation of Fera occurs, but after negative effects of BM rest when should be before.
I don't agree with choosing the people you use and like them being random.
2023年 5月 1日 19:53 • TomKy • バグは未だ開発者によって再現できていません:
I agree on this. I don't have that player board myself, but since the Fara ability is optional, it should not trigger BM reset immediately and should wait until you make the choice, in case you are using a dept accumulation strategy where you sometimes don't want to release than 1 worker from prison to gain a dept card.
This should be fixed.
This should be fixed.
2023年 5月28日 14:53 • user___ • バグは未だ開発者によって再現できていません:
Yes, this is a bug with Fara's ability. You should be allowed before the tally for negative effects. See this thread boardgamegeek.com/thread/2080903/black-market-refresh
2023年 7月26日 10:34 • erndiggity • バグは未だ開発者によって再現できていません:
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Same thing happened to me during move #45 during BMR
Same thing happened to me during move #45 during BMR
2023年 8月 1日 17:47 • Skiznit • バグは未だ開発者によって再現できていません:
Same thing happened with me. The game did not allow me to release the worker from prison with Fara until AFTER I took the debt card (for having the only worker in prison, apprentice Gatekeeper released the other two). Also, my Squire's were not activated. Kind of negates the whole power of having her.
Table #393244173 Move #94
Rules state on page 17:
(in abbreviated form)
Black Mark Reset: do things in this order
1. workers from black market to prison
2. flip over small market card
3. any relevant actions on apprentices (or characters presumably) are taken at this point
4. three plus workers lose you virtue
5. most in prison earns a debt card
Table #393244173 Move #94
Rules state on page 17:
(in abbreviated form)
Black Mark Reset: do things in this order
1. workers from black market to prison
2. flip over small market card
3. any relevant actions on apprentices (or characters presumably) are taken at this point
4. three plus workers lose you virtue
5. most in prison earns a debt card
2023年 8月 4日 7:33 • DF500 • バグは未だ開発者によって再現できていません:
Tisch: #402365558 Zug: #176 3.08 22:40Uhr
Gleicher Fehler wie oben: Die Fähigkeit von FARA wird hier ausgelöst nach der vergebung der Tugend/Schuldscheine.
Die Fähigkeit muss davor geschehen.
Gleicher Fehler wie oben: Die Fähigkeit von FARA wird hier ausgelöst nach der vergebung der Tugend/Schuldscheine.
Die Fähigkeit muss davor geschehen.
2023年 9月 2日 11:04 • Niall • バグは未だ開発者によって再現できていません:
Yep this has nobbled me too and is definitely a rules violation as confirmed by the designer on the BGG thread posted above.
2023年 9月 4日 16:11 • Mojothang • バグは未だ開発者によって再現できていません:
This bug basically makes Fara useless as a character in the game. Please fix as it has been validated on BGG for some time.
2023年10月17日 13:33 • One Wolf • バグは未だ開発者によって再現できていません:
Just had the same thing happen to me. Either fix Fara or remove her as an option.
2024年 3月 7日 20:16 • Vanadium • バグは未だ開発者によって再現できていません:
Same bug. Had Fara and Gatekeeper with three prisoners.
The prisoners should've been released. Instead I got a debt and didn't get my squire bonus.
The prisoners should've been released. Instead I got a debt and didn't get my squire bonus.
2024年 7月30日 23:27 • worto03 • バグは未だ開発者によって再現できていません:
I'm sure you already have enough info on this now, makes Fara's ability a bit useless
Another example here, just before this turn
I had 3 workers in prison, it released 2 of them then gave me a debt card, then it used the fara ability to release the other worker but it had already given me a debt card by then
Table #538954677
Move #173
Progression 69%
Another example here, just before this turn
I had 3 workers in prison, it released 2 of them then gave me a debt card, then it used the fara ability to release the other worker but it had already given me a debt card by then
Table #538954677
Move #173
Progression 69%
2024年11月30日 19:27 • Guillaume • バグは未だ開発者によって再現できていません:
I had the same issue happen in this game, why is it taking so long to address this? As other have mentioned, it basically makes Fara worthless
2024年11月30日 19:28 • Guillaume • バグは未だ開発者によって再現できていません:
Oh I meant to link the game in the previous comment: boardgamearena.com/table?table=592187508
2025年 3月11日 11:26 • RaptorRed • バグは未だ開発者によって再現できていません:
I can confirm this bug happens consistently.
By the way, I think choosing player boards doesn't make sense BUT there should be a draft or auction. Some combos are plain unbalanced, and some characters are not as fun for people.
By the way, I think choosing player boards doesn't make sense BUT there should be a draft or auction. Some combos are plain unbalanced, and some characters are not as fun for people.
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