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#63261: "Timer penalty unfair "
#63261: "Timer penalty unfair "
rejected: 開発者はそれは良い考えではない、あるいは費用対効果が低すぎると考えています
63261
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どういった内容ですか?
どうしましたか?以下から選んでください
提案:次項がゲームを大きく改善すると思われる
どうしましたか?以下から選んでください
提案:次項がゲームを大きく改善すると思われる
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詳細
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• もしあれば、画面に表示されたエラーメッセージをコピー&ペーストしてください
When a player receives more cards or the requirements change, time should be added for the turn.
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• 何をしたいか、何をしたか、何が起きたかを説明してください
• あなたのブラウザは何ですか?
Safari v15.4
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• 何を意味するのか、簡単に理解できるようにあなたの提案を正確かつ簡潔に説明してください。
When a player receives more cards or the requirements change, time should be added for the turn.
• あなたのブラウザは何ですか?
Safari v15.4
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• ブロックされたときの表示は何でしたか(空のスクリーン?一部のみのゲームインターフェイス?エラーメッセージ?)
When a player receives more cards or the requirements change, time should be added for the turn.
• あなたのブラウザは何ですか?
Safari v15.4
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• BGAで正しく実装されていないルールはどの部分ですか?
When a player receives more cards or the requirements change, time should be added for the turn.
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• ルールの間違いはゲームのリプレイで確認できますか?そうであれば、行動番号は何番ですか?
• あなたのブラウザは何ですか?
Safari v15.4
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• やりたかったゲームアクションは何ですか?
When a player receives more cards or the requirements change, time should be added for the turn.
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• このゲームアクションを引き起こす為に何を試みましたか?
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• これを行おうとしたときに何が起こりましたか?(エラーメッセージ、ステータスバーメッセージ、他)
• あなたのブラウザは何ですか?
Safari v15.4
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• どの段階でこの問題が起こりましたか?(画面の指示はどうなっていましたか)
When a player receives more cards or the requirements change, time should be added for the turn.
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• ゲームアクションを行おうとしたとき、何が起こりましたか?(エラーメッセージ、ステータスバーメッセージ、他)
• あなたのブラウザは何ですか?
Safari v15.4
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• 表示の問題を説明してください もしこのバグのスクリーンショットがあれば(素晴らしい!)、Imgur.com等を使ってアップロードし、リンクをコピー&ペーストしてください。
When a player receives more cards or the requirements change, time should be added for the turn.
• あなたのブラウザは何ですか?
Safari v15.4
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• 何を意味するのか、簡単に理解できるようにあなたの提案を正確かつ簡潔に説明してください。
When a player receives more cards or the requirements change, time should be added for the turn.
• あなたのブラウザは何ですか?
Safari v15.4
報告履歴
2022年Apr20日 23:40 • goldensmith • この提案はまだ開発者によって解析されていません:
My last turn (right before the game ended) Was a very long turn…the actions I took caused me to keep drawing & playing cards. I was actively playing the entire turn. I couldn’t have even ended my turn early because of the required turn actions. I was playing fast and reading cards as I received them. Didn’t notice the timer warning on the right side because I was concentrating and playing.
But I received a time out penalty. So frustrating to receive this when the game design (changing rules) caused the turn to be extended. When a player receives more cards or the requirements change, time should be added for the turn.
I contacted BGA support:
Thanks for playing on Board Game Arena.
It sounds like the timer length for this game needs to be rethought. Please consider making a report using our tracker tool boardgamearena.com/bugs with the table number and explanation of the time-out penalty. This way, the developer will be notified directly with all appropriate information. Please give as many details as possible on what happened! It really helps.
I have removed the penalty.
But I received a time out penalty. So frustrating to receive this when the game design (changing rules) caused the turn to be extended. When a player receives more cards or the requirements change, time should be added for the turn.
I contacted BGA support:
Thanks for playing on Board Game Arena.
It sounds like the timer length for this game needs to be rethought. Please consider making a report using our tracker tool boardgamearena.com/bugs with the table number and explanation of the time-out penalty. This way, the developer will be notified directly with all appropriate information. Please give as many details as possible on what happened! It really helps.
I have removed the penalty.
2022年Apr21日 20:27 • wolmot • 開発者はこの提案に対して詳細を求めています:
Hi, I tried to check your game but it looks like the timer issue wasn’t on this table you logged the bug for?
By any chance did you join a game with the table option set to “fast”?
Anyway, extra time is indeed added only at the start of the player turn.
So I do acknowledge that for first time players that need to read all the cards in detail, this might pose challenges with high Draw/Play counts and lot of actions being played.
But on the other hand, with the first few turns with only Draw 1/Play 1 or when you just play a Keeper, there should be plenty of turns that literally only take up 2 seconds so you build a lot of time reserve.
I am afraid that adding extra player time on every rule change or action played or whatever, would also have negative effects.
Players would get way too much time, which could also lead to complaints of other players waiting for long thinking turns - when Fluxx should just be quick and fun.
All in all, this is the first time in more than 200.000 Fluxx games played that we get this comment.
So for the moment, I believe it is best to leave it as it is.
By any chance did you join a game with the table option set to “fast”?
Anyway, extra time is indeed added only at the start of the player turn.
So I do acknowledge that for first time players that need to read all the cards in detail, this might pose challenges with high Draw/Play counts and lot of actions being played.
But on the other hand, with the first few turns with only Draw 1/Play 1 or when you just play a Keeper, there should be plenty of turns that literally only take up 2 seconds so you build a lot of time reserve.
I am afraid that adding extra player time on every rule change or action played or whatever, would also have negative effects.
Players would get way too much time, which could also lead to complaints of other players waiting for long thinking turns - when Fluxx should just be quick and fun.
All in all, this is the first time in more than 200.000 Fluxx games played that we get this comment.
So for the moment, I believe it is best to leave it as it is.
2022年Apr23日 00:46 • goldensmith • 開発者はこの提案に対して詳細を求めています:
Hi @wolmat that links to the correct game.
BGA removed the penalty when I appealed it.
Here are some screenshots from the log that include the time stamps & I added comments on Imgur for some of the screenshots.
Note: max time is 3:18, I’m not sure if that is a normal speed?
imgur.com/a/IolrJJY
BGA removed the penalty when I appealed it.
Here are some screenshots from the log that include the time stamps & I added comments on Imgur for some of the screenshots.
Note: max time is 3:18, I’m not sure if that is a normal speed?
imgur.com/a/IolrJJY
2022年Apr23日 03:11 • goldensmith • 開発者はこの提案に対して詳細を求めています:
I don’t understand how the clock works. These are the times I see mentioned when I change a new game setting between slow, normal & fast.
“Game speed" changes to: Real-time • Slow speed:
Slow +1:18, Max 4:54 08:07 PM
"Game speed" changes to: Real-time • Normal speed:
Normal +0:49, Max3:27 08:08 PM
"Game speed" changes to: Real-time • Fast speed:
Fast +0:31, Max 2:33
But the game I linked here shows a max time of 3:18. So that doesn’t seem to match any of the times listed on the game setup screen?
“Game speed" changes to: Real-time • Slow speed:
Slow +1:18, Max 4:54 08:07 PM
"Game speed" changes to: Real-time • Normal speed:
Normal +0:49, Max3:27 08:08 PM
"Game speed" changes to: Real-time • Fast speed:
Fast +0:31, Max 2:33
But the game I linked here shows a max time of 3:18. So that doesn’t seem to match any of the times listed on the game setup screen?
2022年Apr23日 07:52 • wolmot • 開発者はこの提案に対して詳細を求めています:
Ok, my mistake, I don’t know why I didn’t notice the timer penalty remark.
Anyway, your logs indeed show that you had multiple times in that turn where it took 20, 30 or even 40 seconds before deciding the next card to play, which is really extensive.
But like I said, understandable if you are new and need to read many extra cards coming in.
After a few plays, just the card title is enough to recognise what it does.
Developers don’t have control over exactly how long the slow/normal/fast timers are: they start with some value when the game is first released, and afterwards BGA automatically recalculates and adapts the timers based on the average play times over all games played.
So probably the normal speed timer adapted from max 3:18 to 3:22 meanwhile.
Anyway, your logs indeed show that you had multiple times in that turn where it took 20, 30 or even 40 seconds before deciding the next card to play, which is really extensive.
But like I said, understandable if you are new and need to read many extra cards coming in.
After a few plays, just the card title is enough to recognise what it does.
Developers don’t have control over exactly how long the slow/normal/fast timers are: they start with some value when the game is first released, and afterwards BGA automatically recalculates and adapts the timers based on the average play times over all games played.
So probably the normal speed timer adapted from max 3:18 to 3:22 meanwhile.
2022年May21日 08:18 • jeffwolfe • 開発者はこの提案に対して詳細を求めています:
I had this happen to me quite a few months ago and I actually got booted from the game as I was actively playing, but I didn't bother to report it at the time. I just stopped playing in real time against strangers. I had played Take Another Turn and wondered whether my clock reset for my second turn or if I had to take two turns within the same clock. Anyway, here's the game if you want to look at it:
boardgamearena.com/gamereview?table=185387825
boardgamearena.com/gamereview?table=185387825
2023年Jul24日 16:10 • wolmot • 開発者はそれは良い考えではない、あるいは費用対効果が低すぎると考えています:
No new info or more votes over a year, closing this now.
2025年Aug9日 19:39 • twistoffate1 • 開発者はそれは良い考えではない、あるいは費用対効果が低すぎると考えています:
Hello! :-)
Upvoting this, and it looks like I might have to open a new one to trigger the system. (On the note of votes, BGA doesn't broadcast "Gurus, have you had X or Y issue as noted in the bugs/suggestions?" Unless someone starts a campaign blasting the report to every player in the game and has a rapport established with many of them--such as Nekonyancer in Tutorials chats, for example--of course it's not going to gain traction. Most people won't take the time because it's inconvenient, but that doesn't mean they wouldn't agree with the issue.)
I regularly have games where the opponent or I get a long turn where LOTS of cards are drawn or swap out (e.g., rotate/trade hands, discard and draw, Draw 5, Jackpot, Recycling) with LOTS of cards to play (e.g, play all/all but one, Draw 2 and Use 'em, Today's Special, Draw 3 and Use 2).
I just finished such a turn and was playing cards frantically but still saw my timer go close to -3:00. And my opponent was maybe above 1:00 but not exactly flush with time either. Often enough we're both under 1:00, sometimes even both negative, which to me indicates a time imbalance.
If this was speed chess, where one is silent and moves as rapidly as possible, then sure, the impatient types would have a point. But it's not. The spirit of Board Game Arena and particularly Fluxx is supposed to be casual fun, low intensity, chat about the chaos. I've played it since the original card game released. It is a social lubricant particularly because people have time to think and enact silly shenanigans with their cards.
I urge you to reconsider. Maybe a bump in time per card drawn, bump for hand swaps, etc.
Thank you, I have always enjoyed this game and want to see our collective joy around it maximized.
Upvoting this, and it looks like I might have to open a new one to trigger the system. (On the note of votes, BGA doesn't broadcast "Gurus, have you had X or Y issue as noted in the bugs/suggestions?" Unless someone starts a campaign blasting the report to every player in the game and has a rapport established with many of them--such as Nekonyancer in Tutorials chats, for example--of course it's not going to gain traction. Most people won't take the time because it's inconvenient, but that doesn't mean they wouldn't agree with the issue.)
I regularly have games where the opponent or I get a long turn where LOTS of cards are drawn or swap out (e.g., rotate/trade hands, discard and draw, Draw 5, Jackpot, Recycling) with LOTS of cards to play (e.g, play all/all but one, Draw 2 and Use 'em, Today's Special, Draw 3 and Use 2).
I just finished such a turn and was playing cards frantically but still saw my timer go close to -3:00. And my opponent was maybe above 1:00 but not exactly flush with time either. Often enough we're both under 1:00, sometimes even both negative, which to me indicates a time imbalance.
If this was speed chess, where one is silent and moves as rapidly as possible, then sure, the impatient types would have a point. But it's not. The spirit of Board Game Arena and particularly Fluxx is supposed to be casual fun, low intensity, chat about the chaos. I've played it since the original card game released. It is a social lubricant particularly because people have time to think and enact silly shenanigans with their cards.
I urge you to reconsider. Maybe a bump in time per card drawn, bump for hand swaps, etc.
Thank you, I have always enjoyed this game and want to see our collective joy around it maximized.
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