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#39387: "Add an undo button (or a checkbox to prompt for undo)"

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ワイナリーの四季(Viticulture) #164149387

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2021年Apr21日 16:40 • SteveDave • この提案はまだ開発者によって解析されていません:

N/A

2021年Jul10日 20:59 • Munku05 • この提案はまだ開発者によって解析されていません:

Sometimes the refuse and confirm actions are too nearby and I keep in clicking wrong button.

2021年Aug12日 09:13 • databoy01 • この提案はまだ開発者によって解析されていません:

TOTALLY AGREE. ITS RIDICULOUS you can’t fix a mistake, especially mid turn when a wrong wine is made or something the computer screws up!!

2021年Aug12日 09:15 • databoy01 • この提案はまだ開発者によって解析されていません:

This game is almost unplayable at its current status!

2022年Apr10日 02:17 • KongKing123 • この提案はまだ開発者によって解析されていません:

Bump.

2022年Oct16日 15:24 • twenty9oh7 • この提案はまだ開発者によって解析されていません:

This game is tough on mobile without an undo. If I clicked a spot let me confirm it or undo if no new info is revealed.

2024年Mar9日 16:23 • ColtSmokey • この提案はまだ開発者によって解析されていません:

Definitely need undo action prior to confirming entire turn. As long as cards weren't drawn, undo must be an option.

2025年Aug14日 19:46 • KuWizard • 開発者はこの提案に対して詳細を求めています:

As far as I can see, there is an "Confirm turn" button when you do most of the common actions.
Is this not relevant anymore? Or could anyone please suggest a series of steps which cannot be undone at "Confirm Turn" step?

2025年Aug26日 13:49 • KuWizard • 開発者はこの提案に対して詳細を求めています:

So this suggestion is upvoted 70 times but actually nobody is interested in this feature, is that correct? I guess everything is ok and I can close this one

2025年Sep2日 18:25 • Winn81 • 開発者はこの提案に対して詳細を求めています:

Came here to suggest this as well. For me I misunderstood a winter visitor but could not undo once the card was played, even though there was no new information revealed. There was no "Confirm Turn" button.

KuWizard, know that people who comment or thumb up this suggestion will not have seen your comment above unless they come back to this page, which for some is 4 years with no movement. They'll only receive an email notification when the status changes. Anyway, this feature would be a big improvement for the game.

2025年Sep2日 19:03 • KuWizard • 開発者はそれが良い考えであることに同意し、それに取り組むつもりです:

@Winn81, thanks for the example, I will definitely take a look at that.
Regarding email notifications - from my experience I was always receiving emails once I commented (not sure about thumbs up) any bug in any game. I am surprised it's not working for everyone... and actually I changed the status of this suggestion to "inforequest" so again, everyone commented should have received it :)

2025年Sep2日 19:05 • KuWizard • 開発者はそれが良い考えであることに同意し、それに取り組むつもりです:

And also, any details about the winter visitor's name? There are quite a lot of them.

2025年Sep2日 19:24 • Winn81 • 開発者はそれが良い考えであることに同意し、それに取り組むつもりです:

Yes, it was the taster: "discard 1 wine to gain 4 dollars. If it is the most valuable win in any player's cellar (no ties), gain 2 points". No one else had wine but me, so it took me a minute to realize my mistake. But again, as soon as I discarded the wine, the interface moved on to the next player's turn.

boardgamearena.com/9/viticulture?table=720893428&replayFrom=75

2025年Sep2日 19:35 • KuWizard • 開発者はそれが良い考えであることに同意し、それに取り組むつもりです:

Great, appreciate the description!
I would say in this specific case the confirmation popup would be better saying "No other player has any wine so you won't get 2 VP, are you sure?". However if this was the only wine in the game, shouldn't you gain 2 VP?

2025年Sep2日 19:50 • Winn81 • 開発者はそれが良い考えであることに同意し、それに取り組むつもりです:

If it's the only wine in the game, yes the player should get the 2 VP. But in my case I overlooked the fact I had a 1 and 3 value wine. I sold the 1 which was not the most valuable since it considers any player's cellar, including my own.

2025年Sep6日 13:02 • KuWizard • 開発者はそれが良い考えであることに同意し、それに取り組むつもりです:

Another question is: does "Confirm" button will still be required if Undo will be implemented?
As I see it, you click "Confirm" after each single action in the multiple-actions queue and then, after everything is ok, you'll enter another new state with buttons "Confirm turn" and "Undo". Wouldn't multiple confirmations annoy players?

2025年Sep6日 14:23 • truetechie • 開発者はそれが良い考えであることに同意し、それに取り組むつもりです:

Harvesting your field in the summer using your yoke is not allowed according to the rule book.it is allowed in bga. Please fix

2025年Sep6日 14:24 • KuWizard • 開発者はそれが良い考えであることに同意し、それに取り組むつもりです:

It is a completely unrelated bug to the Undo function. Please create a new bug for that. This suggestion is about the Undo functionality

2025年Sep6日 14:58 • AndrewBucholtz • 開発者はそれが良い考えであることに同意し、それに取り組むつもりです:

The taster is a good note, I've run into that before. Multi-step cards where you're making multiple wines, such as Crush Expert and Crusher, also don't seem to give an option to undo after making the first wine, which would be helpful. (For Crusher, undo should only let you go to after the card draw.) On the multiple confirmations, I think that would be less of an issue than current misclicks with the lack of undo, but I'd be fine with an undo and no confirmations as well.

(Also, the above yoke complaint isn't accurate, and the current implementation is correct there as per the rules linked in the game description. Essential edition rules, P. 12: "On their turn, a player may place a regular worker (or a grande worker acting as a regular worker) on their yoke to uproot 1 vine card (return a vine card from their field to their hand) or harvest 1 field (even in the summer), though the field may only be harvested once per year.")

2025年Sep6日 15:00 • KuWizard • 開発者はそれが良い考えであることに同意し、それに取り組むつもりです:

If a game is on BGA for 4 years it's impossible that any core functions would work incorrectly :)
Thanks for the detailed answer, @AndrewBucholtz!

2025年Sep6日 15:06 • AndrewBucholtz • 開発者はそれが良い考えであることに同意し、それに取り組むつもりです:

Playing through this some more, another case where undoing the whole turn could be useful is when playing multiple visitor cards (as long as they don't give you card draws). If you get the sequence slightly wrong, it's annoying to not be able to fix it.

2025年Sep6日 20:39 • Obiwan Jacobi • 開発者はそれが良い考えであることに同意し、それに取り組むつもりです:

The only actions I can think of that shouldn't be possible to undo are those involving drawing cards. Once you've seen the card, it's too late to go back and not draw it. Otherwise, I can't think of anything that wouldn't be fine to go back and start over during the same turn.

2025年Sep7日 00:16 • Obiwan Jacobi • 開発者はそれが良い考えであることに同意し、それに取り組むつもりです:

Wingspan allows you to undo until your turn is finalized, but when you draw a face down card, it warns you "This action cannot be undone" which you can confirm. Sometime like that seems like it would work well. Thanks for all your hard work helping us to play and have fun!

2025年Sep7日 00:19 • KuWizard • 開発者はそれが良い考えであることに同意し、それに取り組むつもりです:

Yep, a lot of games do that including developed by me. That aligns to BGA undo rules.
And you're welcome but I think you're still to see my hard work ;)

2025年Sep8日 16:43 • Daveoh • 開発者はそれが良い考えであることに同意し、それに取り組むつもりです:

Undo is a generally useful feature. It lets you play out an action or turn and see the consequences, and change your mind based on that. I don't think that needs explaining. This game does not have an undo feature. Therefore in response to your request for "cases what exactly could not be undone under current implementation" - then that includes every possible move in the game - you cannot undo them. I believe people are just asking for an undo option at the end of their turn. Not for specific scenarios. I can only assume I've repeated what the ask was already, so not sure I am adding anything here, and I'm not sure how much more information you can get from players.
The comment "there is a 'Confirm turn' button when you do most of the common actions" - I do not believe I have seen this before. When you have to make a choice the game asks you, but that is not an undo. Once you have made your choice, it ends your turn and moves on to the next player.

2025年Sep15日 20:34 • monsieurt • 開発者はそれが良い考えであることに同意し、それに取り組むつもりです:

Possibility less difficult to implement than undo, it would be helpful if confirming only happened after all actions in a turn.

For example, when making 2 or 3 wines, we currently confirm after each wine. Instead, if a player could lay out all the wines they want to make at the same time, then confirm, that would be helpful for visualizing and functionally the same as having an undo.

2025年Sep16日 11:41 • KuWizard • 開発者はそれが良い考えであることに同意し、それに取り組むつもりです:

Change anything in the original code (including moving all confirmations somewhere) is far, far more difficult than to add a new state at the end of a turn with "Confirm turn"/"Reset turn" buttons. I would say it's 10 hours of work vs 40 hours of work

2025年Sep19日 21:00 • strollingstar • 開発者はそれが良い考えであることに同意し、それに取り組むつもりです:

Dear developers,

I just saw this post update this evening and I have to say I'm quite impressed that a 4-years old beloved game like Viticulture is finally getting bug fixes!

I agree that Undo is an essential feature to be had, especially if there is no new information provided. Undo should not be possible after card draws. Undo should also not be possible for actions requiring others cooperation as well(Banker, Swindler, Handyman, etc.). But undo should be possible for every other thing.

One example I had recently is when playing the winter visitor Zymologyst. I had 2,3 red grape and 3,4 white grape. I have a wine order for a 3 white and 7 sparkling. With the Zymologist I mistakenly use my 2,3-red and 4-white token to create a sparkling-9, and I cannot make the 3-white because I did not realize that Zymologist needed the wine made with a minimum value of 4. I ended up using another worker to create that 3-white wine and has to fill order the next year instead because all my worker are exhausted that year.

Granted, I still won the game (lucky me) but with the undo feature, I can realize earlier that Zymologist cannot create the 3-white wine, and may do things differently to end the game faster (I have another winter visitor to make wine). It's a small mistake, but it can cost the game.

That is just one example, but I think there are a lot of other implementations that may be similar. Thank you for your attention on this matter, and I'm looking forward to an enhanced version of Viticulture with undo on BGA!

Sincerely,
Strollingstar

2025年Sep19日 21:32 • KuWizard • 開発者はそれが良い考えであることに同意し、それに取り組むつもりです:

Hey, Strollingstar!
Thanks a lot for sharing your experience! That really helps. And yeah, thanks to Jamie Stegmaier Viticulture got some financing and therefore some dev hours :)

2025年Oct7日 20:30 • Obiwan Jacobi • 開発者はそれが良い考えであることに同意し、それに取り組むつもりです:

In the fall when you select your visitor card(s) this is action has no "confirm" button, so it's possible to accidentally hit the wrong button and be stuck with the result.

2025年Oct20日 13:19 • KuWizard • 開発者はそれが良い考えであることに同意し、それに取り組むつもりです:

This functionality is implemented in the new "Viticulture Tuscany" project which is currently in alpha. It will be moved to the main game after all major bugs will be fixed. If you want to test Tuscany extended board in alpha, check this thread: boardgamearena.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=229986

2025年Nov26日 23:22 • KuWizard • この提案は実行されました:

Implemented

2025年Nov27日 20:01 • SteveDave • この提案は実行されました:

Nice, thanks!

2025年Dec16日 17:13 • punkinsniff • この提案は実行されました:

Greetings,

This game seems particularly sensitive especially while playing the mobile version to grab ahold of unintended interaction while zooming or scrolling that results in game action and cannot be undone. An undo button would be very helpful or confirming your turn. On multiple occasions I have lost a game because I was unable to undo. For example, with 3 workers in the second to last year, I was accidentally passed without harvesting or fulfilling orders that could have been. I was then in competitive and disengaged from play.

2025年Dec16日 17:31 • KuWizard • この提案は実行されました:

@punkinsniff, may I ask how often do you play Viticulture. This feature is implemented and works for 3 weeks already. Why do you express it as "would be helpful". Doesn't it work correctly? Please create a bug then

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