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#27276: "Tunnel ability from Gnomes or Carpet Flight from F11 Stronghold shold work with shipping"

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2020年Oct31日 20:35 • stones314 • バグは未だ開発者によって再現できていません:

Several times (move 180 and 188 for example) I tried to click on the F11 SH to activate carpet flight, then click on a hex to fly there. If the hex was reachable with shipping I did not use the carpet flight, meaning I did not have to pay a priest, and did not get any points. I wanted to use the carpet flight, and should be alowed to.

The same is probably true for the tunneling ability of the Gnomes.

2020年Oct31日 21:28 • Een • このバグを開発者が再現させるために、より多くの情報が求められています:

This is something to clarify actually... in TM, Dwarves and Fakirs had no shipping.

In the TM FAQ on BGG, it is mentioned that you can only use Tunneling or Carpet Flight "when needed".

If you can reach the hexes with shipping, Tunneling or Carpet Flight is "not needed", hence the current behaviour.

@Helge @Bastian, has there been a rule choice specifically on this? (I don't remember having read it in the rules; if it must be made possible, it's not something really easy to code...)

2020年Nov1日 09:13 • stones314 • このバグを開発者が再現させるために、より多くの情報が求められています:

It was discussed in a playtester-forum. I wrote the bug report after James Wolfpacker asked me to do it.

Regarding implementation, without seeing the code, would it not be possible to set shipping temporarily to 0 as the first thing after someone click on the carpet flight or tunnel action, then do whatever you normaly do when this action is performed, and afterwards set shipping back to what it was before?

2020年Nov9日 17:44 • Een • このバグを開発者が再現させるために、より多くの情報が求められています:

Thanks, but for any rules change or clarification we need a direct confirmation from the publishers (it implies development costs and it's often more complex than anticipated so we need complete clarity).

As much as possible, propositions from the playtesting group had better be reported as suggestions (not bugs) in order not to mix them with actual bugs.

2020年Nov10日 21:25 • JamesWolfpacker • このバグを開発者が再現させるために、より多くの情報が求められています:

I'm James Ataei, Designer of the Merchants of the Seas expansion.

This wasn't allowed at first, but we informed Helge that we played with the choice to ship or use ability on Tabletop Simulator. We said that not spending resources for VP would punish the ability. I confirm that Helge agreed that we can choose between using the tunnel/fly ability or using shipping.

I think that clicking the box for the ability should get a light green tint when activated so you know it's on or off.

2020年Nov10日 21:30 • JamesWolfpacker • このバグを開発者が再現させるために、より多くの情報が求められています:

Stones has a good idea to add a new Boolean to temporarily set shipping to 0.

Regarding the BGG TM FAQ, you can't tunnel or fly to a directly adjacent hex. Bridges are supposed to make 2 hexes directly adjacent.

2020年Nov10日 21:32 • JamesWolfpacker • このバグを開発者が再現させるために、より多くの情報が求められています:

If you can, give the Shipping Box a light red tint when the tunnel or fly option has a green tint.

2020年Nov10日 21:51 • zlorfik • このバグを開発者が再現させるために、より多くの情報が求められています:

This will be part of the next batch of updates. We can understand the way it is currently implemented but in Terra Mystica it was, to the best of my knowledge, impossible to have Carpet Flight or Dwarves Tunneling combined with shipping. So we needed a new ruling and our ruling is that only directly adjacent spaces are banned from using Carpet Flight or Tunneling.

2020年Nov19日 01:06 • JamesWolfpacker • このバグを開発者が再現させるために、より多くの情報が求められています:

There are also two other bugs with Carpet Flight and double spades using Fire 1 (2 spades) and the 4vp spade x2 town. It allows carpet flight, but it doesn't use the priest or give 5vp. I also upgraded to a Sanctuary, which made a town (took spade x2) and took Fire 1 for 2 more spades.

boardgamearena.com/bug?id=28194
boardgamearena.com/bug?id=27645

If you have a carpet or tunnel ability and gain a 1, 2, or 3 spade action

Then ONLY 1 hex can use the ability and pay the 1p for 5vp or 1w for 3vp. Any number of the spades can be used on this hex and workers can be added to transform it more.

Any other additional spades in that action must be directly adjacent or reachable by shipping.
Build on JUST ONE of the 1, 2, or 3 hexes.

Sometimes another spade action will get chained together with the first action. If that happens then the carpet or tunnel ability can be used once again. You can also use this from the range of the new dwelling that was built in the previous spade action.

The Eschar, Gnome, and Navigator Factions need some rigorous testing using the F9 SH carpet ability.

Navigators should get 2vp if it uses a carpet to build on a coastal hex.

2020年Nov19日 01:06 • JamesWolfpacker • このバグを開発者が再現させるために、より多くの情報が求められています:

Here is the game...

boardgamearena.com/2/ageofinnovation?table=117026633

2020年Nov25日 18:32 • Een • この提案はまだ開発者によって解析されていません:

Bugs mentioned in this thread by JamesWolfpacker have been fixed.

The articulation with shipping is a suggestion that will be discussed for a next batch of updates. So we have updated the status of this report to "suggestion".

Please help us in the future keep things ordered by reporting playtesting suggestions directly in the suggestion category rather than bugs :-)

2021年Apr22日 22:50 • InnerCitySumo • この提案はまだ開発者によって解析されていません:

I can't believe this doesn't work yet it ruined my game

2021年May1日 16:46 • JamesWolfpacker • この提案はまだ開発者によって解析されていません:

I think there might be a misunderstanding here. The desired action still does not work as DocCool confirmed in this game after this move #444 linked below.

boardgamearena.com/2/ageofinnovation?table=161831799&replayFrom=444

You have the choice to use shipping OR tunnel/fly by spending the resources. In the lower left continent, the black player can't fly for vp and dig/build to the brown hex directly above because it is using the temp shipping.

I think that some are confused and think that shipping can be added to tunnel/fly or vice versa. That's not what we are talking about.

2021年May1日 20:41 • DocCool • この提案はまだ開発者によって解析されていません:

As mentioned by James above, I couldn't use the F9 ability to build or dig on a hex which I could also reach by ship. I clicked on the SH area, it then offered my a bunch of hexes (both those I could only reach via the SH ability, and those I could reach "normally" via adjacency or shipping), but when I selected a hex within shipping distance, it didn't use up a priest (and of course didn't gain me 4VP). No choice was given.

2024年Apr27日 10:46 • Rincevent123 • 開発者はそれは良い考えではない、あるいは費用対効果が低すぎると考えています:

after test everything seem to work as expected now

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