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#22392: "No explanation of who starts first in case 2 or more players have the same result"

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表示バグ: 表示されるゲームの情報が間違っている(ゲーム上の重要事項を表示していない)

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2020年Aug9日 18:46 • januszk0 • バグは未だ開発者によって再現できていません:

However, if 2 or more players have the same score, what decides?

2020年Aug10日 05:07 • Idsky • バグは開発者に確認されました:

I will leave this part as-is but will add something like "(wins tie-break ${tieDice})" after it when appropriate.

2020年Sep29日 08:07 • imbroglio • バグは開発者に確認されました:

Coincidentally, I had the same question. I was about to open a new ticket, but it seems cleaner to just keep everything in here.

First of all, here is the relevant text from the official rules: "The first player is the one with the lowest ship total (resolve any ties by rolling other dice)" (www.funforge.fr/US/files/quantum/Quantum_rules_US.pdf)

However, I've never seen any evidence of "rolling other dice". So, I went through my last 50 games for all games that started with a tie in ship totals. I found 5 such tables, and I "lost" the tie break every time:

boardgamearena.com/gamereview?table=114587870
boardgamearena.com/gamereview?table=114318546
boardgamearena.com/gamereview?table=114216828
boardgamearena.com/gamereview?table=113573590
boardgamearena.com/gamereview?table=113368664

Admittedly it's not the biggest sample size, but I think it's enough to be significant: the probability of losing all 5 coin flips is only 0.5^5 = 3%.

I've glanced through the code, and I don't see any alterations to the order of the player list after it is fetched from the DB. I believe the relevant code starts at quantum.game.php:116. I'm also not a PHP programmer, so I'll defer to those who have actually worked on the code :)

I'll also note that 4/5 of the above instances, my player ID is lower than my opponent's (outlier is ibav, table #114216828).

The low-effort fix here would be to simply shuffle the player list randomly immediately after fetching from the DB, and add an explanation to the log text that indicates the starting player was selected randomly.

Thanks as always for your work on this game!

2020年Sep29日 14:00 • Idsky • バグは開発者に確認されました:

Yes, when I said I was going to add that extra message, I meant I would also add a re-roll for the affected players, the game is not randomising the order of the equal players. I guessed it would default to be in the order the players were added to the game but it needs fixing whatever the default order is. It is on my todo list, I've just been a bit busy lately.

2020年Sep30日 00:09 • imbroglio • バグは開発者に確認されました:

Sounds great!

2020年Oct21日 20:36 • imbroglio • バグは開発者に確認されました:

For (I think) the first time, a tie has gone in my favor!

boardgamearena.com/1/quantum?table=118667175

Has there been a code change that fixed this?

2023年Jul11日 13:52 • CraWleR • バグは開発者に確認されました:

I'll do some testing, but this may be solely based on player ID or who created the table, etc. If I can confirm it, then we'll see what we can do.

2023年Jul14日 04:22 • CraWleR • バグは開発者に確認されました:

Seems like it's based on the order of players in the database for the table. For some reason, that's inconsistent sometimes and I'm not sure why. Either way, I'm working on adding logic so that if there is a draw in the lowest sum of ship counts, that each player would roll a dice each. If there are still draws, the players that had the draws would continue rerolling until there is only one player with the lowest dice roll.

2023年Jul14日 04:22 • CraWleR • バグは開発者に確認されました:

I'm planning to add all of that information to the logs, so it would be transparent.

2023年Jul15日 03:03 • CraWleR • バグは修正されました:

Just deployed a fix for this. It can get a bit spammy (see screenshots below), but I consider transparency to be more important.

imgur.com/mpz8cTf
imgur.com/2Dkb3LW
imgur.com/pN4YZ4j
imgur.com/MM4GYCY
imgur.com/IrW8uqC

Let me know if this is still an issue. Closing as fixed now.

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