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#14108: "Fighter, ranger and wizard should activate when quest is completed notwhen crafting."
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Under specialist timing page 12. by the blue,yellow,red symbol found on fighter ranger and wizard.
When you gain treasure from a quest of the indicated hero type.
and this rule shows when treasures are awarded.
Completing a Questresults in. As soon as all of a quest’s items have been crafted, that quest
is complete. (The heroes always succeed on their quests.)
If you crafted all the items for that quest:
• Draw the quest’s treasure card(s). <----------------------------------
• Take the quest card and place it face-up to the left
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2019年12月23日 10:54 • Pompkin • バグは未だ開発者によって再現できていません:
didnt know if old reports get read after new info is added so made a new report instead
2019年12月26日 15:23 • diamant • バグは未だ開発者によって再現できていません:
Rule, p. 10
Fighter, Ranger, Wizard – After you do a quest of the indicated hero type,
you may pay 1 coin to draw a treasure of the indicated color. You get this
bonus whether you started or finished the quest, but only once per quest.
The King's Guild #61607796, move #39: Pompkin crafts the Shield from Sail to Bloodsand Beach. He started the quest, but he had not the Ranger in play.
Move #115: Pumpkin puts Ranger in his guild.
Move #193: biszibosz crafts the Jeweled Vest from Sail to Bloodsand Beach and finishes that quest. Pumpkin gets the Quest card, but he has not finished the quest. Therefore, the Ranger's effect is not triggered.
Start a quest = Craft the first object.
Finish a quest = Craft the only object or craft the second object.
Conclusion: there is no bug.
Fighter, Ranger, Wizard – After you do a quest of the indicated hero type,
you may pay 1 coin to draw a treasure of the indicated color. You get this
bonus whether you started or finished the quest, but only once per quest.
The King's Guild #61607796, move #39: Pompkin crafts the Shield from Sail to Bloodsand Beach. He started the quest, but he had not the Ranger in play.
Move #115: Pumpkin puts Ranger in his guild.
Move #193: biszibosz crafts the Jeweled Vest from Sail to Bloodsand Beach and finishes that quest. Pumpkin gets the Quest card, but he has not finished the quest. Therefore, the Ranger's effect is not triggered.
Start a quest = Craft the first object.
Finish a quest = Craft the only object or craft the second object.
Conclusion: there is no bug.
2019年12月26日 21:24 • Pompkin • バグは未だ開発者によって再現できていません:
the important rule is under specialist timing page 12 by the blue,yellow,red symbol found on fighter ranger and wizard. It only says the specialist activates when you gain treasure from a quest of the indicated hero type which happen to be when the quest is completed.
2019年12月30日 10:11 • A-dam • これはバグではありません:
Pompkin you are missing the most important thing - you have to do craft action in order to trigger the bonus, as you did not do craft action, you cannot receive the bonus..
2019年12月30日 13:52 • Pompkin • これはバグではありません:
Sorry but you are just assuming a rule is in place which dont exist, nothing in the rules says they activate when you craft, but there are rules that say they activate when treasures are handed out from a quest. Thematically you can think of it as that the heroes won't go out questing unless they have all the necessary equipment. There is a symbol ( 2nd from top under specialist timing) "When you take a craft action" which is not used on these specialists.
You can always ask the game designer or publisher as we seem to be at a disagreement about the rules.
Another evidence is the game balance. As it is now the fighter ranger and wizard seldom get bought because they are underpowered by about 1-2 activations or 2-4 points which if you already have sigils on quests can be guaranteed payout if you put some effort into it. Note that as treasures are not paid out when you get the cards in the end of the game they will not activate then.
You can always ask the game designer or publisher as we seem to be at a disagreement about the rules.
Another evidence is the game balance. As it is now the fighter ranger and wizard seldom get bought because they are underpowered by about 1-2 activations or 2-4 points which if you already have sigils on quests can be guaranteed payout if you put some effort into it. Note that as treasures are not paid out when you get the cards in the end of the game they will not activate then.
2019年12月31日 2:54 • N_Faker • これはバグではありません:
If FIGHTER, RANGER AND WIZARD are meant to be triggered when you craft an item they would have been marked with the craft icon.
2020年 1月 4日 7:44 • A-dam • バグは開発者に確認されました:
Hi,
I checked this with the designer, and it should really be after you gain treasure.
The only real difference is in situation when you craft 2 item quest and you do not have F/R/W yet, than you hire one of those and somebody else finishes the quest - you dont get a chance to use F/R/W.
As I dont have much time those days and it is not my priority (and the change is not easy fix), I will fix this sometimes in the future, but no guarantee it will be in coming months...
Adam
I checked this with the designer, and it should really be after you gain treasure.
The only real difference is in situation when you craft 2 item quest and you do not have F/R/W yet, than you hire one of those and somebody else finishes the quest - you dont get a chance to use F/R/W.
As I dont have much time those days and it is not my priority (and the change is not easy fix), I will fix this sometimes in the future, but no guarantee it will be in coming months...
Adam
2020年 1月 4日 14:53 • Pompkin • バグは開発者に確認されました:
Great I will leave you alone now :)! But as it is now they are dead cards most of the time as there are not many situations you wanna buy them so I suggest removing them from the game or increase points (check with designer) until it is fixed.
2020年 1月 6日 17:50 • bmcfluff • バグは開発者に確認されました:
@Pompkin While it would be best to play with the official rules, I don't think the balance is actually really different this way - yes they are less powerful than they should be in the way you mentioned, but they are MORE powerful in two other ways that I think fully compensate if not overcompensate:
1) For the rest of the game when crafting the first item on 2-item quests, you get the treasure you deserve earlier (i.e. immediately) rather than having to wait until the other half is complete. This is usually an advantage because you have more time to plan around and use that treasure.
2) If you do the first half of a 2-item quest that is never finished by end of game, you still get an activation.
As for their overall value, I think they're pretty balanced (both in current implementation and in official rules). If you activate even twice (which is usually easy), it was usually an acceptable purchase at the usual coin-to-vp conversion rates. If you activate three or more times (which is often harder, but I've done it several times), it can be a quite good purchase.
1) For the rest of the game when crafting the first item on 2-item quests, you get the treasure you deserve earlier (i.e. immediately) rather than having to wait until the other half is complete. This is usually an advantage because you have more time to plan around and use that treasure.
2) If you do the first half of a 2-item quest that is never finished by end of game, you still get an activation.
As for their overall value, I think they're pretty balanced (both in current implementation and in official rules). If you activate even twice (which is usually easy), it was usually an acceptable purchase at the usual coin-to-vp conversion rates. If you activate three or more times (which is often harder, but I've done it several times), it can be a quite good purchase.
2021年11月14日 1:46 • Pompkin • バグは開発者に確認されました:
Bump! any plan on fixing the game so it plays by the correct rules?
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