#13887: "UNDO function should be implemented on ALL games where it would not affect rules or play."
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• もしあれば、画面に表示されたエラーメッセージをコピー&ペーストしてください
Too many games have moves which require a single click. The example today was Targi. I accidentally pressed ‘keep card in hand’ instead of ‘play’. Fat finger syndrome! It was still my turn and I was helpless to rectify it. I had to discard 2 goods, will need to waste a move placing on ‘Noble’ space, and won’t receive the card advantages! That could easily throw the game for me. There would be no disadvantage having an undo option. It’s starting to put me off playing games on here, as a single error, such as this makes me want to immediately end the game.
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• 何をしたいか、何をしたか、何が起きたかを説明してください
• あなたのブラウザは何ですか?
Safari v12
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• あなたの言語の代わりに、表示されている英語の文章をコピー&ペーストしてください。 もしこのバグのスクリーンショットがあれば(素晴らしい!)、Imgur.com等を使ってアップロードし、リンクをコピー&ペーストしてください。
Too many games have moves which require a single click. The example today was Targi. I accidentally pressed ‘keep card in hand’ instead of ‘play’. Fat finger syndrome! It was still my turn and I was helpless to rectify it. I had to discard 2 goods, will need to waste a move placing on ‘Noble’ space, and won’t receive the card advantages! That could easily throw the game for me. There would be no disadvantage having an undo option. It’s starting to put me off playing games on here, as a single error, such as this makes me want to immediately end the game.
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• このテキストは翻訳ページで翻訳可能になっていますか?もしそうならば、24時間以上前に翻訳されていますか?
• あなたのブラウザは何ですか?
Safari v12
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• 何を意味するのか、簡単に理解できるようにあなたの提案を正確かつ簡潔に説明してください。
Too many games have moves which require a single click. The example today was Targi. I accidentally pressed ‘keep card in hand’ instead of ‘play’. Fat finger syndrome! It was still my turn and I was helpless to rectify it. I had to discard 2 goods, will need to waste a move placing on ‘Noble’ space, and won’t receive the card advantages! That could easily throw the game for me. There would be no disadvantage having an undo option. It’s starting to put me off playing games on here, as a single error, such as this makes me want to immediately end the game.
• あなたのブラウザは何ですか?
Safari v12
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• ブロックされたときの表示は何でしたか(空のスクリーン?一部のみのゲームインターフェイス?エラーメッセージ?)
Too many games have moves which require a single click. The example today was Targi. I accidentally pressed ‘keep card in hand’ instead of ‘play’. Fat finger syndrome! It was still my turn and I was helpless to rectify it. I had to discard 2 goods, will need to waste a move placing on ‘Noble’ space, and won’t receive the card advantages! That could easily throw the game for me. There would be no disadvantage having an undo option. It’s starting to put me off playing games on here, as a single error, such as this makes me want to immediately end the game.
• あなたのブラウザは何ですか?
Safari v12
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• BGAで正しく実装されていないルールはどの部分ですか?
Too many games have moves which require a single click. The example today was Targi. I accidentally pressed ‘keep card in hand’ instead of ‘play’. Fat finger syndrome! It was still my turn and I was helpless to rectify it. I had to discard 2 goods, will need to waste a move placing on ‘Noble’ space, and won’t receive the card advantages! That could easily throw the game for me. There would be no disadvantage having an undo option. It’s starting to put me off playing games on here, as a single error, such as this makes me want to immediately end the game.
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• ルールの間違いはゲームのリプレイで確認できますか?そうであれば、行動番号は何番ですか?
• あなたのブラウザは何ですか?
Safari v12
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• やりたかったゲームアクションは何ですか?
Too many games have moves which require a single click. The example today was Targi. I accidentally pressed ‘keep card in hand’ instead of ‘play’. Fat finger syndrome! It was still my turn and I was helpless to rectify it. I had to discard 2 goods, will need to waste a move placing on ‘Noble’ space, and won’t receive the card advantages! That could easily throw the game for me. There would be no disadvantage having an undo option. It’s starting to put me off playing games on here, as a single error, such as this makes me want to immediately end the game.
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• このゲームアクションを引き起こす為に何を試みましたか?
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• これを行おうとしたときに何が起こりましたか?(エラーメッセージ、ステータスバーメッセージ、他)
• あなたのブラウザは何ですか?
Safari v12
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• どの段階でこの問題が起こりましたか?(画面の指示はどうなっていましたか)
Too many games have moves which require a single click. The example today was Targi. I accidentally pressed ‘keep card in hand’ instead of ‘play’. Fat finger syndrome! It was still my turn and I was helpless to rectify it. I had to discard 2 goods, will need to waste a move placing on ‘Noble’ space, and won’t receive the card advantages! That could easily throw the game for me. There would be no disadvantage having an undo option. It’s starting to put me off playing games on here, as a single error, such as this makes me want to immediately end the game.
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• ゲームアクションを行おうとしたとき、何が起こりましたか?(エラーメッセージ、ステータスバーメッセージ、他)
• あなたのブラウザは何ですか?
Safari v12
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• 表示の問題を説明してください もしこのバグのスクリーンショットがあれば(素晴らしい!)、Imgur.com等を使ってアップロードし、リンクをコピー&ペーストしてください。
Too many games have moves which require a single click. The example today was Targi. I accidentally pressed ‘keep card in hand’ instead of ‘play’. Fat finger syndrome! It was still my turn and I was helpless to rectify it. I had to discard 2 goods, will need to waste a move placing on ‘Noble’ space, and won’t receive the card advantages! That could easily throw the game for me. There would be no disadvantage having an undo option. It’s starting to put me off playing games on here, as a single error, such as this makes me want to immediately end the game.
• あなたのブラウザは何ですか?
Safari v12
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• あなたの言語の代わりに、表示されている英語の文章をコピー&ペーストしてください。 もしこのバグのスクリーンショットがあれば(素晴らしい!)、Imgur.com等を使ってアップロードし、リンクをコピー&ペーストしてください。
Too many games have moves which require a single click. The example today was Targi. I accidentally pressed ‘keep card in hand’ instead of ‘play’. Fat finger syndrome! It was still my turn and I was helpless to rectify it. I had to discard 2 goods, will need to waste a move placing on ‘Noble’ space, and won’t receive the card advantages! That could easily throw the game for me. There would be no disadvantage having an undo option. It’s starting to put me off playing games on here, as a single error, such as this makes me want to immediately end the game.
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• このテキストは翻訳ページで翻訳可能になっていますか?もしそうならば、24時間以上前に翻訳されていますか?
• あなたのブラウザは何ですか?
Safari v12
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• 何を意味するのか、簡単に理解できるようにあなたの提案を正確かつ簡潔に説明してください。
Too many games have moves which require a single click. The example today was Targi. I accidentally pressed ‘keep card in hand’ instead of ‘play’. Fat finger syndrome! It was still my turn and I was helpless to rectify it. I had to discard 2 goods, will need to waste a move placing on ‘Noble’ space, and won’t receive the card advantages! That could easily throw the game for me. There would be no disadvantage having an undo option. It’s starting to put me off playing games on here, as a single error, such as this makes me want to immediately end the game.
• あなたのブラウザは何ですか?
Safari v12
報告履歴
From recent plays, I see that Verdant is newly in beta and has no undo functionality. Yokohama has undo at some points in the gameplay but not others (even when no information is revealed). And other games we play have inconsistent implementation of the undo functionality.
Most boardgames on this site have the boardstate change a LOT more than in chess. Chess, while complex, is pretty finite of understanding what can and will occur. The number of elements that change state on games can lead to complex interaction of pieces, resources, and rule understanding about the state that you might not intend.
If you want to imagine it another way, when you touch your piece in chess, you can feel free to 'undo' your intended place you wanted to put it but are free to move elsewhere until you lay the piece down. Likewise in BGA if you confirm your move the move is done and it's too late then.
And another thought to consider, what happens if you made an improper move due to either the web or mobile interface? All I can see is that without incorporating an undo feature on games that allow it is frustration and people leaving BGA. If you want to advocate for a 'no takesies backsies feature' that disables undo, feel free and I'm sure developers that CAN incorporate an undo feature easily should be able to make a feature to disable it without much trouble.
That being said I also have fat finger syndrome, though I think the solution here is more of a need for all actions to require confirmation before taking any move that can prevent further undos or ending your turn.
That’s just my 2 cents!
Chess is a good example, but not for what the original commenter suggested. In most chess games, unless you're playing a tournament (or a stodgy opponent), you're allowed to take back a move. The BGA Undo policy seems to encourage that strict/stodgy form of playing without realizing that most players don't enforce "no takebacks".
Most players don't care if new information is revealed by the play of a card, because the only person that new information typically hurts is the person who revealed that card/tile/whatever from their hand. So...if it's not worth it to the player who revealed a card to take it back and play another, then they don't have to use the undo feature.
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- 問題は何回も起こりましたか?毎回 起こりますか?ランダムに起きますか?
- もしこのバグのスクリーンショットがあれば(素晴らしい!)、Imgur.com等を使ってアップロードし、リンクをコピー&ペーストしてください。
