#132280: ""First play random" takes presidence over all other rules"
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• もしあれば、画面に表示されたエラーメッセージをコピー&ペーストしてください
"First play random" is activated just after draw meaning that is not possible to use either recycle, swap plays for draw, get on with it, mystery play, goal mill. All of these are not limited by a first play has happened and it can and it multiple games had lead to a win or defeat. By not having these options of i.e. recycle the odds of random drawing a game changing card is increased.
It also contradicts with the swap for draw because you can't get the full benefit of swap (one card less to draw) -
• 何をしたいか、何をしたか、何が起きたかを説明してください
Move 85
• あなたのブラウザは何ですか?
Google Chrome v127
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• あなたの言語の代わりに、表示されている英語の文章をコピー&ペーストしてください。 もしこのバグのスクリーンショットがあれば(素晴らしい!)、Imgur.com等を使ってアップロードし、リンクをコピー&ペーストしてください。
"First play random" is activated just after draw meaning that is not possible to use either recycle, swap plays for draw, get on with it, mystery play, goal mill. All of these are not limited by a first play has happened and it can and it multiple games had lead to a win or defeat. By not having these options of i.e. recycle the odds of random drawing a game changing card is increased.
It also contradicts with the swap for draw because you can't get the full benefit of swap (one card less to draw) -
• このテキストは翻訳ページで翻訳可能になっていますか?もしそうならば、24時間以上前に翻訳されていますか?
Move 85
• あなたのブラウザは何ですか?
Google Chrome v127
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• 何を意味するのか、簡単に理解できるようにあなたの提案を正確かつ簡潔に説明してください。
"First play random" is activated just after draw meaning that is not possible to use either recycle, swap plays for draw, get on with it, mystery play, goal mill. All of these are not limited by a first play has happened and it can and it multiple games had lead to a win or defeat. By not having these options of i.e. recycle the odds of random drawing a game changing card is increased.
It also contradicts with the swap for draw because you can't get the full benefit of swap (one card less to draw) • あなたのブラウザは何ですか?
Google Chrome v127
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• ブロックされたときの表示は何でしたか(空のスクリーン?一部のみのゲームインターフェイス?エラーメッセージ?)
"First play random" is activated just after draw meaning that is not possible to use either recycle, swap plays for draw, get on with it, mystery play, goal mill. All of these are not limited by a first play has happened and it can and it multiple games had lead to a win or defeat. By not having these options of i.e. recycle the odds of random drawing a game changing card is increased.
It also contradicts with the swap for draw because you can't get the full benefit of swap (one card less to draw) • あなたのブラウザは何ですか?
Google Chrome v127
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• BGAで正しく実装されていないルールはどの部分ですか?
"First play random" is activated just after draw meaning that is not possible to use either recycle, swap plays for draw, get on with it, mystery play, goal mill. All of these are not limited by a first play has happened and it can and it multiple games had lead to a win or defeat. By not having these options of i.e. recycle the odds of random drawing a game changing card is increased.
It also contradicts with the swap for draw because you can't get the full benefit of swap (one card less to draw) -
• ルールの間違いはゲームのリプレイで確認できますか?そうであれば、行動番号は何番ですか?
Move 85
• あなたのブラウザは何ですか?
Google Chrome v127
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• やりたかったゲームアクションは何ですか?
"First play random" is activated just after draw meaning that is not possible to use either recycle, swap plays for draw, get on with it, mystery play, goal mill. All of these are not limited by a first play has happened and it can and it multiple games had lead to a win or defeat. By not having these options of i.e. recycle the odds of random drawing a game changing card is increased.
It also contradicts with the swap for draw because you can't get the full benefit of swap (one card less to draw) -
• このゲームアクションを引き起こす為に何を試みましたか?
Move 85
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• これを行おうとしたときに何が起こりましたか?(エラーメッセージ、ステータスバーメッセージ、他)
• あなたのブラウザは何ですか?
Google Chrome v127
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• どの段階でこの問題が起こりましたか?(画面の指示はどうなっていましたか)
"First play random" is activated just after draw meaning that is not possible to use either recycle, swap plays for draw, get on with it, mystery play, goal mill. All of these are not limited by a first play has happened and it can and it multiple games had lead to a win or defeat. By not having these options of i.e. recycle the odds of random drawing a game changing card is increased.
It also contradicts with the swap for draw because you can't get the full benefit of swap (one card less to draw) -
• ゲームアクションを行おうとしたとき、何が起こりましたか?(エラーメッセージ、ステータスバーメッセージ、他)
Move 85
• あなたのブラウザは何ですか?
Google Chrome v127
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• 表示の問題を説明してください もしこのバグのスクリーンショットがあれば(素晴らしい!)、Imgur.com等を使ってアップロードし、リンクをコピー&ペーストしてください。
"First play random" is activated just after draw meaning that is not possible to use either recycle, swap plays for draw, get on with it, mystery play, goal mill. All of these are not limited by a first play has happened and it can and it multiple games had lead to a win or defeat. By not having these options of i.e. recycle the odds of random drawing a game changing card is increased.
It also contradicts with the swap for draw because you can't get the full benefit of swap (one card less to draw) • あなたのブラウザは何ですか?
Google Chrome v127
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• あなたの言語の代わりに、表示されている英語の文章をコピー&ペーストしてください。 もしこのバグのスクリーンショットがあれば(素晴らしい!)、Imgur.com等を使ってアップロードし、リンクをコピー&ペーストしてください。
"First play random" is activated just after draw meaning that is not possible to use either recycle, swap plays for draw, get on with it, mystery play, goal mill. All of these are not limited by a first play has happened and it can and it multiple games had lead to a win or defeat. By not having these options of i.e. recycle the odds of random drawing a game changing card is increased.
It also contradicts with the swap for draw because you can't get the full benefit of swap (one card less to draw) -
• このテキストは翻訳ページで翻訳可能になっていますか?もしそうならば、24時間以上前に翻訳されていますか?
Move 85
• あなたのブラウザは何ですか?
Google Chrome v127
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• 何を意味するのか、簡単に理解できるようにあなたの提案を正確かつ簡潔に説明してください。
"First play random" is activated just after draw meaning that is not possible to use either recycle, swap plays for draw, get on with it, mystery play, goal mill. All of these are not limited by a first play has happened and it can and it multiple games had lead to a win or defeat. By not having these options of i.e. recycle the odds of random drawing a game changing card is increased.
It also contradicts with the swap for draw because you can't get the full benefit of swap (one card less to draw) • あなたのブラウザは何ですか?
Google Chrome v127
報告履歴
We have always played and interpreted First Play Random in the sense that really the very first thing that you do in your turn, must be a random hand card play.
So there is no way to escape this randomness by using any of the special Rule cards that you mention.
I have been searching the Looney Labs faq for a definitive answer on the correct interpretation either way, but I can’t seem to find it.
But either way, even if they would confirm you are right, I am afraid it would be a very invasive fix that would take a lot of work, and with many card interactions possibly leading to other new bugs.
All in all, it just seems too much work and risk, specially since the game was released on BGA over 3 years ago already.
Thanks for the report though, and I hope you keep playing and enjoying Fluxx!
At the same time, the description still says "the first card you play", so maybe @Oxtrosk's interpretation is correct. Furthermore, it could be argued that the "swap plays for draws" card technically meets the condition that "the current rule cards allow you to play only one card", allowing the "first play random" card to be skipped
(I know this discussion is pointless since @wolmot has made the final decision. I just felt like looking into it anyway)
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- 問題は何回も起こりましたか?毎回 起こりますか?ランダムに起きますか?
- もしこのバグのスクリーンショットがあれば(素晴らしい!)、Imgur.com等を使ってアップロードし、リンクをコピー&ペーストしてください。
