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#116449: "Add additional confirmation before delivering"

rejected: 開発者はそれは良い考えではない、あるいは費用対効果が低すぎると考えています

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マラカイボ(Maracaibo) #470376790

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提案:次項がゲームを大きく改善すると思われる

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提案:次項がゲームを大きく改善すると思われる

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2024年Mar4日 18:02 • Léonidas Ier • この提案はまだ開発者によって解析されていません:

2024年Mar4日 18:10 • Kayvon • 開発者はそれは良い考えではない、あるいは費用対効果が低すぎると考えています:

The game already enforces delivery before city actions. If you wish to skip delivery, you can do a city action straight away. If you do want to deliver, you must do that first.

On top of all this, we've included a robust undo system. If you really meant to deliver first, you can undo back to that point. No need for an additional layer of confirmation.

2024年Mar4日 18:11 • Kayvon • 開発者はそれは良い考えではない、あるいは費用対効果が低すぎると考えています:

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2024年May21日 18:39 • Tomoaki Tokunaga • 開発者はそれは良い考えではない、あるいは費用対効果が低すぎると考えています:

Personally, I believe this confirmation message is necessary.

I consider myself to be a relatively cautious player of turn-based games, yet I still forgot to deliver once. Specifically, this happened during the first move of game #514151003, when I used a city action to discard my cards and gain 4 doubloons. This was the biggest and simplest mistake I've ever made.

Given the current specifications, I feel that mistakes like this will inevitably occur in situations where there are few actions to perform and I'm deliberating which disc to remove. This is because I progress without having time to go back.

A simple message would suffice, but could you display a confirmation message when a player performs city actions without delivering? Making a mistake early in the game makes the rest of it quite painful, and I think this confirmation message could significantly reduce such errors. What do you think?

Again, I feel this is necessary because there are situations where there are few actions to perform.

2024年May21日 18:49 • Mogri • 開発者はそれは良い考えではない、あるいは費用対効果が低すぎると考えています:

Notably, you can still undo when you have done what you describe. Only if you end your turn completely or somehow draw a card / start combat without delivering will you be locked in.

2024年May29日 17:01 • Tomoaki Tokunaga • 開発者はそれは良い考えではない、あるいは費用対効果が低すぎると考えています:

Yes, my point is that with the current system, there are situations where a single click of the end turn button after a mistake makes it impossible to undo, which is not ideal. My initial suggestion was to display a confirmation message particularly if there is only one step available, as having just one step significantly increases the likelihood of making mistakes. Maracaibo is a game with a lot of information to consider, and this doesn't help.

Of course, I think your program has many wonderful aspects, and this feedback is not meant to negate that. If it's difficult to make improvements from a cost-effectiveness standpoint, we will need to be even more careful to avoid mistakes while playing.

2024年May29日 17:10 • Kayvon • 開発者はそれは良い考えではない、あるいは費用対効果が低すぎると考えています:

We need to balance the ease of play with the confirmations.

> there are situations where a single click of the end turn button after a mistake makes it impossible to undo

In our view, that end turn button IS the confirmation. There's a robust undo system to allow you to undo any mistake. We've replaced the automated end-of-turn with the confirmation "End Turn" button, so the player has a chance to take one last look at the results of his decisions before confirming and ending his turn.

Once you've confirmed that and a new player's turn has started, it's too late to undo, of course. But adding a second "End Turn" confirmation seems redundant (and risks people asking why there isn't a third, etc.).

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